T.O.W.................T.I.W.............discussion.......

[JL]

Jl: MF4 I thought of this, but knew I could count on you. However transition time while perhaps not showing velocity isn't time IN water.Rant On - Jan 17 3:41PM
Mf4: If we split TOW and TIW, everyone will have to get GPS, download each session, delete each part of your track moving at, say <8 kmph, and we could get the actual TOW. TOTP, Oh my, I won't be sailing for another couple of years! - Jan 17 2:01PM
Bobson: This is hilarious!! If I factor in child time as well as wife time(as I've been told they are not the same) then my BWD time is going waaaaaaaaay down. ps. If my wife is reading this......this time doesn't count!! - Jan 17 1:46PM
Jl: Daily: 24-sleep/cooking/maintenace/work time=potential(P)b.w.d. time. Let X= time used...X/P=Daily B.W.D. TIME !!! - Jan 17 1:35PM
Tongue In Cheek.: We need a new category. TOTP: Time owed to partner. This would include any time devoted to windsports. sitting around and waiting for wind(You were gone for 3 hours and you didn't sail!)socializing, skunk time, computer time checking the latest reports etc. - Jan 17 1:25PM
And: don't forget to subtract your time waterstarting, relaunching...that's not TOW but TIW and for some people a high %, ha!@ - Jan 17 12:56PM
Kus: jeez, of course only counts if you sail, get wet, not waiting/driving, and rigging takes me 3-5 minutes unlike some, I don't count sitting on my ass waiting but how do you subtract resting or changing boards etc. if there's a long lull wait I also discount that. Of my 4 hrs TOW the other day it was 3.7 TOW your way, if ya wanna split hairs....this is like the argument of what the windrange was... - Jan 17 12:53PM
Bwd: Yeah I agree. TOW was meant to be time sailing (not driving/rigging/waiting etc), but it's a personal choice of what you put in there and doesn't really matter. It just makes it hard for comparisons. I think 3hrs TOW (sailing) is actually a huge length of time. - Jan 17 12:46PM
Penguin: Hey Kus, Time On Water, pretty obvious. yesterday I had time on the beach, no TOW. - Jan 17 12:29PM
Kus: let's not fight, girlfriends and btw I count TOW as rigging and sitting wet & defeated or recovering on the beach between runs....'tis all "time owing the woman" that I have to pay for ;) I too appreciate JL's wit and postings/forecasts, thanks JL - Jan

[Gareth]

Good one. TOTP is the worst(especially when the guilt factor sets in). I've always wondered how windsurfers log such long times. Now I know. it includes comming in after 6 runs and chatting. You guys/gals are way more social than us kiters. We rig, sail, come in and then derig, making TOW really easy to calculate. This is beginning to sound like those articles in the back of windsurfing magazines by Eric???

[more force 4]

Well, Jl, the transition time I'd rate as TOW, and I'd accept body dragging as TOW, even though it is really TIW, but we don't want to include the rest times when the current may be moving you at a couple of knots or the wind drifting you a bit. So I set the threshhold a little high.
And it will also filter out the walk of shame time!

Oh, just thought of a glitch. What happens if you are slogging, especially against a current, and you are going less than the 4 or 5 knots? This really is TOW, but I've heard people say you shouldn't include slogging time because it isn't really windsurfing.

[JL]

Shlogging & body dragging are time ON the water. Hell a body drag is a free style move. (w-surfing)...While shlogging isn't 'quality' water time at least your out there. Mattdog: Call it the WWF: Wind Widow Factor.Matt has a great term W.W.F. (wind widow factor) for friends & family . We may have the Russian Dude ' remodel the log to account for all these factors !