Tires for Nitinat

bwd · Post by **bwd** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:23 am

Atomic-Chomik: How was the road? - Tuesday September 29, 5:41PM

Teabag: Quite bad, worse I have seen in years!!! Got another flat tire # 5 flat since April:( 2 in winter harbour, 3 on Nitinaht rd. - Tuesday September 29, 7:57PM

Nanmoo: I've never flatted since starting to go to Nitinat in 2009... Loosen your grip on the wheel, lay off the brakes and let er' ride Ian! - Tuesday September 29, 9:51PM

Hiyosilver: Yeah best to go over those potholes as fast as possible to clear them

- Wednesday September 30, 9:33AM

Abetanzo: you may want to upgrade your tires Teabag... 10ply at least! isn't that SUV fairly new? crappy stock tires still? - Wednesday September 30, 9:59AM

Nanmoo: Technique is equally important as tires. Most flats on logging roads aren't initially punctures but started by folding the sidewall or breaking the bead then it gets destroyed before you realize or slow down. - Wednesday September 30, 12:34PM

Nanmoo: Straighten up, let off the brake before you hit the crater and cause it to dive and just let it ride. Also don't drive over nails. - Wednesday September 30, 12:36PM

More Force 4: I haven't got a Sprinter flat for many years - Nat lots, other island gravel roads, and about 1500 km each year around Williston Lake. I'm constantly scanning ahead for the best line, trying to brake only rarely, and keep as constant a speed as I can over each section. - Wednesday September 30, 12:40PM

Nanmoo: Suffice to say, I think we both just jinxed ourselves. - Wednesday September 30, 12:42PM

More Force 4: Of course. ANd i was just thinking that a last Nat trip might be in order if the weather holds.... - Wednesday September 30, 12:48PM

Teabag: It says 2 plies for side wall and 5 plies regular. Only 45000 km on them though... Will definitively change soon, unless I can save them till next April. Ill do the change then. - Wednesday September 30, 5:07PM

Goldenrule: The road calls for 10 ply tires. I have driven down that road a lot in 4 years and never had a flat - Thursday October 01, 7:38AM

Nanmoo: Welcome to the jinxed GR! - Thursday October 01, 8:35AM

Goldenrule: Don't worry I knocked wood as I wrote it. And it's science. One time I lost about 8psi. I had a steel bar about 3" long and 1/4" thick stick into my rear tire bout 10km out of nitnaht.I pulled over. Waited. The psi stayed the same. After 10 min I drove home. Next morning psi still the same. Drove down to tire shop and they pulled the bar out and patched it. 10 ply tire are a must. - Thursday October 01, 8:53AM

Teabag: I am tempted to buy 2 sets of tires. Offroad tires from mid May/to mid September. Then change to highway tires remaining of the year. Any of you do that? (like this they would last quite a long time) - Thursday October 01, 9:48AM

Winddude: Well there's the new stupid ass rule that you need M+S tires on the malahat after October. Nothing but bullshit!! - Thursday October 01, 10:04AM

Jl: Robust tires don't need to have an aggressive tread just many plys. All 'weather' tires are winter rated so 1 set is good for the year. rotiiva - Thursday October 01, 10:09AM

Kus: A thread perhaps ? - Thursday October 01, 10:24AM

Nanmoo: Most LT tires these days are M+S rated anyway. More aggressive treads do have large lugs though which put the vulnerable parts of the tire slightly further away from the surface. Too aggressive (like Mud Tires and some A/T tires) and the lugs are too far apart, so its easy for sharp things to get in between. Weight of the vehicle is also important, you don't need 11 ply on a basic Ford Ranger but you probably do on a F950 like Abetanzo has. Ultimately, TeaBags 5 ply are insufficient if you are going to spend any time driving on logging roads which explains why he keeps flatting, but a 7 or 8 ply would probably suffice and make a world of difference. - Thursday October 01, 10:27AM

JL · Post by JL » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:25 am

I have had good luck with the https://www.kaltire.com/ on keating ... http://www.nokiantires.com/summer-tires ... otiiva-at/

I think I read on here that Nanmoo's family was in the tire business. If that is the case then I defer to him as our expert. I've found that four wheel drifts on logging roads with marginal tires & loaded vehicles leads to flats.

https://www.kaltire.com/tires/specials/nokian-2/

downwind dave · Post by **downwind dave** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:30 am

when it comes to the ply talk, note that a ply is a rating, not an actual thing.

Today's load range/ply ratings do not count the actual number of body ply layers used to make up the tire's internal structure, but indicate an equivalent strength compared to early bias ply tires. Most radial passenger tires have one or two body plies, and light truck tires, even those with heavy-duty ratings (10-, 12- or 14-ply rated), actually have only two or three fabric plies, or one steel body ply.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=55

also thought i'd contribute this article, as the statement about needing M+S tires on the 'hat' after october was false. you just need good ones, even all seasons with tread depth over 3.5mm. obviously winter ones work better.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local ... -1.2071359

JL · Post by JL » Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:31 am

Thanks downwind dave, that explains why my tires ply was listed as N/A

http://images.drivebc.ca/bchighwaycam/p ... w/342.html

OtLunch · Post by **OtLunch** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:00 pm

Ferd Fteenthousand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8P5vGcf-NU

winddude · Post by **winddude** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:11 pm

downwind dave wrote:
also thought i'd contribute this article, as the statement about needing M+S tires on the 'hat' after october was false. you just need good ones, even all seasons with tread depth over 3.5mm. obviously winter ones work better.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local ... -1.2071359

Good to know, CTV news lasted night reported they needed the M+S rating. Which seems like crazy overkill coming from winterPEG where there are no requirements for types of tires in 8 months of snow and ice.

winddude · Post by **winddude** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:16 pm

Sounds like you do need the snowflake or the M+S... https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2015TRAN0135-001624

Is the tire industry in BC hurting that badly? I'd think the logging would keep it going.

KUS · Post by **KUS** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:17 pm

OtLunch wrote:Ferd Fteenthousand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8P5vGcf-NU

classic

nanmoo · Post by **nanmoo** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:21 pm

downwind dave wrote:also thought i'd contribute this article, as the statement about needing M+S tires on the 'hat' after october was false. you just need good ones, even all seasons with tread depth over 3.5mm. obviously winter ones work better.

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local ... -1.2071359

Good point, and some signs need updating. Don't expect your local tire shop to correct you on this though, if you come in thinking you need snowflake or M+S tires they will happily sell you them without asking questions.

nanmoo · Post by **nanmoo** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:25 pm

downwind dave wrote:when it comes to the ply talk, note that a ply is a rating, not an actual thing.

Today's load range/ply ratings do not count the actual number of body ply layers used to make up the tire's internal structure, but indicate an equivalent strength compared to early bias ply tires. Most radial passenger tires have one or two body plies, and light truck tires, even those with heavy-duty ratings (10-, 12- or 14-ply rated), actually have only two or three fabric plies, or one steel body ply.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/ ... ?techid=55

Also worth noting is that these ratings are less than scientific and you can compare tires by different brands side by side that claim to be rated the same yet are very different, in size, feel and construction. The best option for you is to actually do this, kick the sidewall, poke it, stick your finger between the treads, lift it up, see how rigid the thing feels and ask around. Specs are only specs, they are not necessarily the truth, just like how my TDI Jetta is apparently eco-friendly.

downwind dave · Post by **downwind dave** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:45 pm

the Ferd Fteenthousand truck tires only have a single ply.. of PURE CHEST HAIR

abetanzo · Post by **abetanzo** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:24 pm

must not be too windy! everyone happy to add their 2 cents..

that ferd fteenthousand is hilarious!!

skywalker · Post by **skywalker** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:27 pm

I regularly drive my 1999 Honda Civic to and from Nitinat.

Let me say that again- My 1999 Honda Civic

I have never gotten a flat tire and I have passed dozens of monster trucks with flats on the roads.

Nanmoo is right, don't touch the brakes and slooooow down.

Sorry about your flat Ian

Snarfer · Post by **Snarfer** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 4:46 pm

Of course, if you drive way too fast your tires never spend any time in contact with the road, so that can help. Not that I would know. doh

nanmoo · Post by **nanmoo** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 9:34 pm

I know for sure I go pretty fast and Goldenrule passed me once (while his rear window simultaneously exploded on the front of my truck I might add) so maybe we are onto something.

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